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FLASH-Buyer at foreclosure auction actually bids above the bank's balance

Here's some good news:  At the foreclosure auction, for the past several years, since houses in foreclosure have been upside-down in value, noone shows up at the auction, and the bank simply buys the house back using their balance as the amount of purchase.  But with housing values increasing, just today a bank at foreclosure offered to buy the house back using the existing balance, but other parties joined in and the price of sale went up (like at an auction, what a concept)...So in this case, the third party buyer bought the property for $20,000 plus over the balance!  That means the party being foreclosed on is going to get $20,000 when he thought he was getting nothing but an eviction notice.....I'm going to call the foreclosed homeowner right now with the good news (he's on disability and is barely making it).........Happy news! 

Taxation Relief on Debt Relief Extended for 2014

Took forever, but Congress finally passed the long-awaited extension to any tax against homeowners for banks that relieve the homeowners of debt, like what happens in a foreclosure or short sale.  The extension only applies to 2014, and we don't know what will happen this year.  This rule stopping taxation was enacted in 2007, and has continued every year since.  But with the housing crises having improved, it is unknown whether these tax-relief extensions will continue.



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Danger - Big Tax alert on short sales and foreclosures - even if principal residence

I’ve been asked a lot lately about the Mortgage Forgiveness Debt Relief Act which has expired on December 31, 2013. This act provides homeowners with cancellation of debt, huge tax relief.

Learn more about the Mortgage Forgiveness Debt Relief Act and Debt Cancellation from the IRS website.

This 2007 Act has been extended one year already from 2012 to 2013. We are all hoping it will be extended at least one more year into 2014, but we are uncertain when and if this will happen. The last extension wasn’t announced until January 2, 2013.  Fingers are crossed, but we need a plan…Remember, until this is resolved, you are at risk of huge taxes if you short sale or get foreclosed on now.

Holiday Moratorium on Fannie Mae Loan Foreclosure Evictions
Fannie Mae announces it’s annual eviction waiver over the Christmas holiday. From December 18th to January 3rd, if you’re about to be evicted due to a foreclosure, you’ll get a pass and be able to stay in your home.  They've been doing this for the past few years....
Chapter 13 Bankruptcy - Can I buy a house during my repayment plan?

 If your Chapter 1e bankruptcy has been approved and you are in a repayment plan, it might just happen that you may want to buy a house.  That could be an issue if the amount of the house payment exceeds the house or rent payment you were making previously, when the bankruptcy plan was approved.  Usually, if the new house payment is greater, the bankruptcy trustee is going to demand that they get the extra money, for payment to creditors.  In certain cases, a modest increase in the house payment won't be a problem.  Check in for a consultation on the factors that affect this issue.

Do not wait until the last minute to start your loan modification

If you want to keep the house, and if it makes sense to do so, then you need to be considering a loan modification.  Typically, you'll get a lower interest rate and payment, the rate will be fixed, and any arrearage you owe more often then not gets rolled into the principal balance.  But do not apply for a loan modification when you're far into the lawsuit process.  Do it soon.  At some point, especially if the bank gains an advantage in court (for example wins on a motion), the homeowner will lose the leverage to settle via a loan modification.  Fight it right, and fight it early.

Oregon Supreme Court rules on a non-judicial foreclosure case

What impact did the recent cases decided a couple of weeks ago in Oregon have on foreclosures?  Some of it has yet to play out, meaning that questions still remain unanswered.  What seems certain is that, in Oregon, MERS can foreclose or assign an interest to someone else to foreclose, if they have documentation from the original lender authorizing them to do so.  These cases may or may not be limited to non-judicial foreclosures (as opposed to judicial foreclosures).  These cases do not resolve other issues that pertain to defending against foreclosures.  Defenses remain available to a house foreclosure, under the right set of facts and if the borrower is good candidate to save their house.

Are you opposing a judicial foreclosure lawsuit? Seek a professional

I've seen several instances where a client had been attempting to oppose the foreclosing lender or servicer by filing the legal pleadings themselves.  In one recent case, they used an attorney who missed a few vital defenses.  Those defenses must be articulated in the answer.  If not, it will be much easier for the bank to file that summary judgment against the borrower, avoiding trial (and a settlement) altogether.


You've been sued for judicial foreclosure. File an Answer/Defense?

Remember I said previously that foreclosures are happening now by way of lawsuits against the homeowner.  In certain cases, those lawsuits seek to impose a deficiency judgment against the homeowner, often with very large dollar amounts.  If a short sale fails, or the bank otherwise will not release that deficiency attempt, and if bankruptcy is not an option, or is the last resort, then it may be prudent to file an answer with defenses against the foreclosure lawsuit.  Of course, the answer must have stand on its own merits; one cannot file an answer without legal reasons.  In certain instances, there are legal justifications to file an answer, for example, perhaps it was a MERS loan, there are defects with the manner in which the loan modification process was conducted, or perhaps the party foreclosing cannot prove they own or have rights to enforce the promissory note.  In any event, contesting the foreclosure by filing your answer (which also prevents a default judgment, see the above post), may result in the leverage you may need to successfully negotiate the loan modification or short sale.  Every situation differs, so any such strategy must be reviewed with a qualified attorney.

Stopping a foreclosure with a short sale?

Last year, once a homeowner has been getting foreclosed on, I've been able to convince the lender to delay the pending foreclosure, in order to allow the short sale to go through.  (No sense struggling to get the short sale accomplished if the bank is going to take the house in the end).  I've had good success having the banks suspend their foreclosure activity, so long as I've been able to show good progress with the short sale (in escrow, negotiating with the bank's loss mit dept, etc.)  However, it seems now they have tightened up, and it has become more difficult to buy much time in slowing down the foreclosure process.  I can typically get some time, but not much.  This state needs to quickly adopt new laws to stop the insanity of having lenders simultaneously move forward with judicial foreclosures on the same property that their short sale department is negotiating with the homeowner on a short sale.  (Option:  file suit; see the next post)

Served with a judicial foreclosure lawsuit? Don't ignore it!

Now that the banks are suing for foreclosure (instead of simply posting it in the newspaper and taking the house without trial), there is the risk that the bank could be seeking to recover the deficiency amount (the amount of the loan in excess of what the house sells for at the foreclosure sale)against you, the borrower.  Please do not ignore the lawsuit once you're served at your doorstep.  Run it by an attorney, as there may still be a chance to avoid that deficiency, once its determined that they are seeking one.  (Just had a client sued by a local bank, and they specifically are seeking the deficiency against him).  The danger is that if you ignore it and do nothing, the bank gets an automatic default judgment against you, and if you had a defense against either the foreclsoure itself (taking the house), or that deficiency, you lose those rights upon default.

House Foreclosed? Don't Assume So

I've experienced cases where the bank had changed direction after starting a foreclosure and stopped just short of completion. The homeowners never find out about it because they have left the property in anticipation of the foreclosure. But the bank has decided that it has too many houses in inventory, or that the home isn’t worth the cost of pursuing it, or that there are title problems caused by improper paperwork. With over 5 million foreclosures in the last three years, these things happen.

Or in other cases, the homeowners have filed bankruptcy and thought that the bankruptcy discharged somehow. While bankruptcy does discharge the debt, it does not remove the lien from the property or act to transfer title. Some lawyers do not know the difference.

Being stuck with homeownership means that you remain responsible for the priority taxes and homeowner association charges. You remain responsible for the condition of the property which may cause a nuisance for trash, overgrown vegetation, or vandalism. Worse yet, if someone gets hurt on that property, you could be sued for the injuries; all when you thought it was long gone. (Still have property insurance?)

In short, do not assume you have taken care of everything by walking away from your home. Make sure that you consult an experienced lawyer who understands property rights, foreclosure, and bankruptcy before you make that move.

Some banks still reckless with the loan modification process

Came across a lender or servicer that lost the loan modification file over a dozen times, never could report status on the file, and ultimately denied the loan modification claiming that the homeowner had no income, when the homeowner did have steady income.  In the lawsuit, I asserted that, when lenders/servicers become so reckless with their loan modification efforts its an attempt to delibertately sabotage the loan modification, in hopes of throwing the house into foreclosure.  My opinion is that this is in bad faith.  We'll see how the bank responds...


Judicial Foreclosures: Banks now suing to get the house

Banks started this in late 2010, but now noticing that they are almost in all cases taking back the homes via a judicial, or "lawsuit," type foreclosure.  More cumbersome and involves a lawsuit, vs. just sending a certified letter and publishing in the newspaper.  The scary part is, if the homeowners vacated the house prior to getting served with the foreclosure lawsuit, they might be liable for the deficiency ( the amount of the balance less the foreclosure sale price, often several thousand dollars' difference).  If you're in pre-foreclosure, don't be so anxious to move out - you could get caught with a judidical foreclosure, which might make bankruptcy the only option...

Loan Modification Involving Principal Reduction?

Just heard of a second example in Bend of a loan mod involving a significant reduction of principal.  Clients got their balance down, with a slight "kicker" repayment back to the lender if their house appreciates in the next 10 years.  This foreclosure and bankruptcy avoidance measure is great and what I've wished the banks would have initiated in 2008.  Could have really mitigated the housing crisis, kept people in their homes, and tougher alternatives like bankruptcy, foreclosure and short sale could have been avoided.  Hoping that this is a trend...

Bankruptcy Trends - Central Oregon region

Has the pace of bankruptcy filings in Central Oregon slowed?  Not from my experience.  Still plenty of chapter 7 and chapter 13 bankruptcy filings and hearings.  Probably due to the chronic high unemployment levels here.  Also, still plenty of housing crisis negative equity situations, and I'm seeing more medical bills that can't get paid.  While the mortgage issues that cause bankruptcies are likely to eventually decrease, the health care fiasco, with skyhigh costs for limited to no coverage, will likely continue the high levels of bankruptcy filings.

Another Settlement Stopping Foreclosure

Big bank claimed it had sent loan mod papers to homeowners when it hadn't.  In any event, homeowners were ready to get a new set of loan mod papers to sign, but then big bank said too late and threw them in foreclosure.  I sued big bank, then their atty said OK will begin a new modif process.  After several months of going nowhere, I amended the lawsuit to increase the damages, and one day later - the loan mod got approved.  Crazy but we got it done.


Wrongful Eviction?

Had a client who kept getting foreclosure notices; but the foreclosure sales kept getting postponed.  She finally got an eviction notice, so assumed the bank took back the house.  Looked up records with the county and it turns out they never foreclosed, yet.....Folks, don't assume an eviction notice means the house got sold.  Look into it - you might be getting kicked out of your own house...


Banks Starting to do Judicial (Lawsuit) type Foreclosures Rather than Non-judicial type

Got 4 lawsuits in past month dealing w/certain banks suing borrower/homeowner for foreclosure, as opposed to just listing them for sale in newspaper for auction then selling them without court.  Believe this is being driven more by investors, not banks, because sometimes the same bank will do a non-judicial foreclosure on other properties...Important that you negotiate with the bank to ensure that even though you might be getting sued for say, $300,000, that bank really just wants the property and does not intend to sell the property then go after you for the deficiency balance, and of course, if bank cannot by law seek the deficiency, you need to tell them that.

Injunction Successful Against B of A

Just won an injunction against B of A stopping a wrongful foreclosure (bank rejectedloan mod application saying it wasn't sent when the application was indeed sent to them, twice); now the folks can stay in their ranch and at least enjoy the holidays.

Your Bankruptcy Attorney Should Know/Help With All Related Bankruptcy Issues

Got an email from a new client; she and husb had hired another bankruptcy attorney in town to do the bankruptcy, but in the process of the bankruptcy their loan modification got approved.  However, the bank wanted court approval of the modification prior to initiating the lower payments, new statements, etc.  The attorney essentially said that was not his department and does not work on refinances (of course, this was a loan mod not a refi).  Then I came into the picture to provide assistance.  I'm not saying a bankruptcy attorney is required to assist in all aspects of issues that come up nowadays with bankruptcy, but at a minimum I always explain the process, inform the client of where he's at and what needs to be done.  Depending on the task, I'll either do it for free or for a modest charge.  But with banks consistently looking for ways to deny a loan modification or to change their mind after the fact, a little TLC goes a long way.


Bankruptcies in Central OR Still High

Went to a record 7 bankruptcy hearings on Tue, and 1 yesterday.  Still looking like about 150 filings per month in Central OR.  So that's 1800 in a year, and the filings have been fairly strong/consistent since 2008.  3 main causes that I have seen:  unemployment, mortgages w/payments that have gone up + the house value is way upside down, and out of control medical costs...


Bankruptcy: Self-Employed Debtors Beware

Bend has lots of self-employed folks, after all the unemployment rate is horrible here.  Many of those with their own businesses have needed to file for bankruptcy.  But note, even if your business is held in an LLC or corp. and the LLC or corp. is not filing for bankruptcy, the assets of the company could still be at risk in a bankruptcy.  Too much detail to explain here, but I've seen the trustee take away companies or force the debtor to pay cash to retain their companies.  So talk to your bankruptcy attorney about possible complications in a bankruptcy when self-employed.

Lawsuit Outcome: Loan Modification

On a recent lawsuit vs. a major lender, I got the restraining order stopping the foreclosure a couple of weeks ago...Was set to go to a show cause hearing next Mon to get an injunction freezing the foreclosure through trial.  But bank's attorney just emailed and requested a voluntary foreclosure freeze plus initiated discussions about a loan modification.  That is what the homeowners wanted all along.  So we will move forward in good faith to work on keeping the homeowners in their home.  Learning point:  Easier to fight banks to enforce or obtain a loan mod than it is to get big money damages.  After all, the homeowners are trying to get some relief - but are still willing to pay and retain the principal balance. 

Bankruptcies in Central Oregon Increasing?

I'd say roughly the same as last year.  About 150+ per mo. chapter 7s filed ,in Central OR and perhaps a dozen chapter 13s per mo.  I see no easing off of foreclosures or bankruptcies anytime soon here.

Another Promise by Bank to Modify Loan, Bank Drops the Ball

Bank lost the borrower's modification file 16 times.  Borrower had to resend the same modification file in 16 times.  Bank denies the modification.  Borrower tries again few months later.  Bank says borrower was approved last year.  Borrower asks why wasn't she notified?  Bank said they did, but borrower never got paperwork.  Borrower asks for replacement paperwork and bank says no, too late.  Filed a lawsuit and yesterday got the temporary restraining order to stop the foreclosure set for next week.  Need to get ready for the injunction hearing....

Another Restraining Order Against A Big Bank

Follow-up to the bank that agreed to and was taking out the mortgage payments through the borrower's checking account, then stopped doing the withdraws, then declared the mortgage in default.  When my client found out she offered to pay the amount to catch up but refused to pay the late fees since the bank caused it.  Bank refused to and foreclosed.  Then last week they filed an eviction action against her.  I sued the bank and am presently trying to get a restraining order to stop the foreclosure sale.

Dave Ramsey and Suzi Orman - Give them ALL of their Options

Why do the big shots refuse to talk about bankruptcy or walking away from the mortgage as an option?  Sometimes it must be done.  There are those times to stick it out, but not every time.  Talk to friends, family, and a legal expert to best know if its your time.

End of Lawsuits Against Banks?

Saw an article in the paper today about dealings between the bank industry and an industry-friendly group that lobbys congress.  Topic was a possible deal to prohibit many anti-foreclosure type lawsuits against banks if banks will reduce principal on many mortgages.  Don't know how it will play out yet, but always knew banks were too powerful to permit the lawsuits to go on forever, even if deserved (which many of them are).  Despite what you're hearing in the media lately, its not about democrats vs. republicans, its about what the banks and their brothers on wall st. want.

Another Lawsuit vs. a Big Bank

Bank lost my clients' file 16 times; they wouldn't return calls, said the loan modif was approved but only after the time to accept it had expired - so then it was too late.  Also bank suggested a temporary loan mod, took one payment, then changed their mind and refused to take 2nd payment then closed the file and said the foreclosure is back on after all, in just 10 days.  So after consultation w/the borrowers, I just filed suit against the big bank.  My 7th lawsuit vs. a bank.  Will keep you posted!

Bankruptcy - Do I need to be delinquent first?

Go this question today from a new client.  No, you don't have to be delinquent on accounts to file for a bankruptcy.  That's usually the case, but I've had cases where it was obvious that given the income and debt picture, the financial picture was not stable or sustainable.  In that type of case, some file without waiting for the creditor phone calls, etc. and don't linger with it.  This method generally results in less of a credit hit and therefore a quicker return to credit scores of 650+.  (By the way, I heard from a news radio show that over 60% of the country has a credit score below 650).  Yes I can believe that.

Second Mortgage/HELOC too big? Settle it now

I've recently had 2 cases where the second mortgage got settled out through negotiation.  About 30% of the original balance, plus the borrower did not have to short sale or let the house foreclose to get it done (pretty rare).  Typically banks will settle, but want the house liquidated in the process (short sale or foreclosure).  But if you have the time and want to keep the house, might be worth a try (unless you are too wealthy-then you would not be able to show hardship).

Short Sales - Becoming More Successful?

Looks like from review of several cases and after multiple consultations, short sales are becoming more widely adopted by banks.  Short sales are a good way to avoid a foreclosure or perhaps a bankruptcy.  Banks/servicers still take too long before issuing approvals, although its not nearly as lengthy or full of errors that you'll get trying a loan modification.  BEFORE closing on a short sale transaction, make sure you check with a legal professional before signing anything....

Lenders and Servicers Foreclosing Without Proper Paperwork

You've probably seen articles commenting about several cases where lenders who foreclosed (or tried to) have had their foreclosures halted in state court, federal court or bankruptcy court.  This is because in many states, courts have held that a lender cannot foreclose without first showing the chain, or history, of where who owns the trust deed and note signed by you, the borrower.  After all, it would be grossly wrong for a bank to foreclose without proof that they have the right to foreclose.  For example, did they buy the debt/account?  Should they not need to prove that?  Although it sounds like a technicality, it is real and courts in Oregon appear so far to be accepting this theory, at least so far as to issue TROs, injunctions and rule against banks that attempt to dismiss these types of cases.  Prediction?  We still need to see at least one written opinion from a court arising from a trial.  When I hear of one I'll let you know.

Chapter 7 - its tax season

Remember that in a chapter 7 bankruptcy, if you're expecting a tax refund the bankruptcy trustee will take it from you when you file, unless you've already spent it.  Filing an extension will not help you.

Bank kept misapplying pmts, then charged homeowners late fees

Bank continually failed to apply entire payment to principal and interest; instead it took some of the pmt and applied it to a "suspense account."  Then charged monthly late fees, and eventually put house in foreclosure.  Took a year after suing bank in federal court, but finally settled it.  Homeowners really wanted to keep the house - sometimes not worth keeping the house, but if good reasons, I'll fight it.

Bank promises loan modif over the phone - then changes mind tries to foreclose w/out notice

Bank verbally promises loan mod, very detailed over the phone (need to get that recording), then changes mind, doesn't tell homeowners and tries to foreclose w/out notice.  Homeowner found out by accident that he was going to be thrown out in days.  Got bank to voluntarily freeze sale but took a lawsuit to do it.  Am trying now to get loan mod all over again per bank's request but if fails, litigation will continue.

Bank issues loan mod paperwork, but puts in wrong date and won't fix it--then forecloses

Have clients who got a loan mod in writing, but when bank sent paperwork, they made the first pmt due date prior to the date they already had rec'd the paperwork - so if they signed it they'd be immediately in default.  Bank said they'd correct it but instead threw them into foreclosure.  Got an injunction to freeze foreclosure sale, no trial date set yet hoping we can settle.

Bank stopped taking payments then threw lady w/cancer into foreclosure...

Lady had her acct w/bank set up to have pmts taken automatically out of her checking acct.  For no known reason, bank stops taking the pmts out of checking acct, then forecloses on house.  Lady was unaware, is old, has terminal cancer and difficulty reading mail.  Bank now threatening to evict the lady.  No decision yet, but I think she should go after the bank, stop the eviction and sue for damages.

Bank breaks promise to issue loan modification due to mailing package to wrong address

Sued bank for sending out loan mod papers to wrong address, so caused delay, so when my client sent back papers arrived late now bank is denying loan mod, threw him into foreclosure.  I stopped foreclosure w/court help but still fighting.  Bank, not borrower, caused the delay then denied the mod.....

Bank Wronged You? Sue em, but be ready to tough it out

Sued a bank for putting my client in a worse position with the new loan mod than his previous loan.  Scam.  They transferred it out of state court and moved it to federal court to try to dump it w/paper shuffling to avoid trial.  We'll see; fighting hard.

Realtors are Good, but See a Real Estate Lawyer When Stakes are High

Just got through mtg w/clients today; realtor advised him to do a short sale, when it resulted in short sale deficiency of $50,000 owed by clients.  Now clients faced with whether to go bankrupt or go after realtor for wrong advice.  Not a good scenario for anyone - some realtors need more education, and the good ones advise their client to see an attorney, to be sure.

Second Mortgage forecloses prior to the first mortgage?

Usually first mortgage forecloses, and in the process forecloses out the second.  (Unless you default on both; second may file suit against you on the note prior to foreclosure by the first).  But if there is equity in the house, after the balances on the two mortgages, even if not "complete" equity (i.e, not enough equity to completely; only partially paying off the loans) then the second might choose to foreclose instead of the first.  If so, the second will likely pay off the first at auction then pay itself what it can.  This scenario might work to the homeowner's benefit in that it may result in no deficiency owed by the homeowner (or former homeowner's) benefit.  See a lawyer on this scenario.

Average Age of a Loan In Foreclosure

You are here: Average Age of Foreclosure

According to Housing Wire Update, "The average age of a loan in foreclosure hit 492 days in October, and appears as if it will only loom ever-longer in the months ahead."  My experience in Central Oregon is that it takes a little less; about one year or less.

War on Banks


I've sued Chase Bank, Onewest Bank, and Wells Fargo Bank.  Each for a variety of reasons, but all related to wrongdoings against borrowers in connection with loan modifications, servicing, and foreclosure.  I don't advise ever suing a multi-billion dollar institution without giving it much thought.  And there are instances in which it is a suitable choice. 

Quick Examples:  Lenders should not post the wrong payment amounts on your loan, or throw your payment into a "suspense account."  Lenders should not approve a loan modification, then either change their mind, or issue a deadline to comply with the paperwork already having expired before getting the paperwork.  Lenders should not misrepresent borrowers on the terms of a refinance or loan modification. 


What about when the lender keeps losing the paperwork and stalling on the modification?  Can that win a lawsuit?  Maybe, or perhaps provide for an injunction to hold off the foreclosure sale

Bank of America - Be careful what you say.

 I called B of A to make a payment, and although I never asked for loan assistance, the representative asked me if I reside in the house.  Thought that was an unusual question as I was simply making a payment, not requesting a short sale, not going into bankruptcy etc. 


Sounds like B or A (and perhaps other large banks) are getting more savvy and since the calls are recorded, are establishingwho does or who does not occupy the house which is the basis for loan assistance. 


Because it varies from state-to-state whether, in a short sale, the bank will choose to sue the homeowner for the deficiency.  

Chapter 13 Bankruptcy - Income Qualification Issue

A Chapter 13 bankruptcy is much more expensive that a Chapter 7.  Although it is appropriate for certain situations, you should know that a Chapter 13 will require a "plan."  The plan must be approved by the trustee - and he probably won't approve it if you're unemployed - he wants to see steady income to show that you can perform on the Chapter 13 repayment plan.


Trying to pay up at the last minute to avoid foreclosure from the first mortgage?

If you decide to pay up on the late amount owed on your first mortgage to avoid foreclosure, make sure you call the foreclosure trustee (name and number listed on the notice of sale given to you) to confirm the exact balance to pay. Also confirm the address.  You also must pay this prior to 5 days before the foreclosure date - or the lender can reject your payment and foreclose.  (Tip - send via fedex or wire it)

Bankruptcy - Can I Keep the House?

Yes, in most cases.  Most people I come across believe that filing a bankruptcy (Chapter 7 or Chapter 13) means you must dump the house.  That's a misnomer.  The real question, at least in these times, is whether you should keep the house.


The First Mortgage Just Foreclosed on My House - What is the Second Mortgage Going to do?

In these days of homes that are upside down, know that, in most cases, it is highly likely that right when the first mortgage lender forecloses, the second mortgage lender will be coming after you. (sometimes even before the foreclosure).  In those cases where you are the target of a second mortgage lender, however, oftentimes they will negotiate the remaining balance.  Different lenders vary greatly on the amount that they will settle upon.  It is best to have an experienced and knowledgeable negotiator undertake that task; for example a real estate attorney. 


How Long Will a Foreclosure or a Repo Stay on My Credit Report?

 7 years.



Foreclosures and Your FICO Score - What is the impact?

16 posts categorized "FICO Scores"

March 24, 2010

Credit Score Recovery Time from Foreclosures and Short Sales

What's now a million-dollar question was only a 25-cent question yesterday, because everyone already knew the answer: How long does it take for your credit scores to recover from a short sale or a foreclosure? Years, right? These incidents remain on your credit reports for seven years and short sales are reported as either charge-offs or settlements. Those two events, as well as foreclosures, are all seriously negative and could significantly damage your credit scores for many years.

So why has this suddenly become a topic of debate, discussion, and conflicting answers? Because in March 23rd’s American Banker, Barrett Burns, the CEO of credit score provider VantageScore Solutions claimed, " can take borrowers as little as nine months to repair their credit score after a short sale or foreclosure."

Wow, that’s great news! Or is it? I found this difficult to believe, so I interviewed Craig Watts from FICO – credit score inventor, and VantageScore’s prime competition – to get the company’s input on how long it takes to repair your credit scores after such an event. Here’s the full transcript of my interview, unedited.

Ulzheimer: Is FICO willing to go on the record discussing the impact of a foreclosure and/or a short sale on a consumer’s credit score?

Watts: "FICO has consistently found that past payment history is the single most predictive category of information when we empirically develop credit scoring models using consumer credit histories. As an example, we recently looked at a sample of about 10 million credit reports representing a highly diverse U.S. population. We examined that group's most recent, twelve-month performance window. We found a default rate of 2.9% for the subset of all consumers with a clean credit record, and a default rate of 49% for the subset of all consumers who had had a recent foreclosure. In other words, consumers who recently experienced a foreclosure were about 17 times more likely to default on a credit obligation in the next 12 months than were people with a clean credit record. Obviously, recent credit defaults are vitally important when one is objectively assessing default risk."

Ulzheimer: How long does it take for a consumer’s score to recover after a short sale or foreclosure? And by recover, I mean fully recover.

Watts: "A consumer with a foreclosure or similar default on her credit report can expect her score to begin recovering after a couple of years if she consistently pays all her bills on time, keeps any credit card balances low, and takes on new credit only when needed. As the default event ages on her credit report its influence on her score will diminish, until the credit bureau removes the record from her file after seven years."

The bottom line is this: You can't fully repair your credit score in as little as nine months unless you can convince the credit bureaus to remove the items from your credit reports. And as long as the items are accurate they will remain for seven years. Your scores will begin to recover in time as the item gets older and older and loses predictive value, but unfortunately it won’t happen after only nine months.

John Ulzheimer – Credit scoring and credit reporting expert and author, John is the President of Consumer Education for Formerly with Equifax and Fair Isaac, John shares his unique insight of the inner workings of credit scoring models and the credit reporting industry on



Will Banks Finally Agree to Lower Principal on Home Mortgages?

 Blurb from  "Banks may be forced to resort to a remedy thethey've been trying to avoid - principal reductions - as another wave of foreclosures looms and payments on risky loans rise, Bloomberg BusinessWeek magazine reports in the Jan. 18 issue....


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Walk Away From Your Home? One Perspective

Check out this link:      The author views walking away strictly as a business decision, and invites the reader to set aside "morality" concerns.  Worthwhile reading, although there's no discussion about the risks/consequences of this option, which vary from state to state.



A Chapter 7 Child? Not going there...

 Met a client - no, I do not recommend having another child just to have enough members in the household to meet the income test in a Chapter 7 bankruptcy.  I would never make such a recommendation.  If you want to have another child for other reasons, go for it.  What if the child is not born at the time you file the bankruptcy?  I'm not going there.



Occupy your house at the time foreclosure commences

 I just got done meeting w/a client who can't get her loan modification accomplished on her own.  The lender keeps losing her file and she keeps re-faxing it.  They always ask her the same questions again and again.  She wanted to simply move out of the house, live with a friend and let the house go to foreclosure.  I advised her that under Oregon law, if she does not occupy the house at the time foreclosure commences she could be susceptible to paying the deficiency, or the difference between what she owes and what the house sells for.  She will now remain in possession to comply with the law and minimize her chances of paying that deficiency.